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Message de here4u posté le 14-10-2024 à 13:31:02 (S | E | F)
Hello dears,
Here is (again!
) an easy exercise that everyone can do.
Je sais que l'Expression libre est la compétence la plus difficile à bien acquérir dans l'apprentissage d'une langue, même si elle est notre langue maternelle, d'ailleurs...
Certains m’avaient dit être gênés d’exprimer des idées personnelles (surtout qu’ils avaient l’impression – souvent fausse – de les exprimer maladroitement.
) Cependant, je ne vous demande pas de " raconter votre vie " si vous ne le désirez pas... Je souhaite juste vous voir vous exprimer sur tout sujet aussi " librement " que possible.
De plus, je pense que vous aurez maintenant compris que pour moi, toute expression, même maladroite, est intéressante et a de la valeur. Elle nous stimule tous à " trouver mieux " !
Voici les questions auxquelles vous pouvez répondre.
1. For a pet, would you prefer a dog , or a cat? Why?
2. Write a short protest about something that shocks you.
3. Is ‘writing’ a form of catharsis for you?
4. Is family a refuge or a trap?
Vous pouvez choisir 1 ou 2 questions au choix – en notant bien les références - et développer celle(s) que vous voulez, jusqu’à atteindre en tout un maximum d’environ 15 0 mots.
Envoyez-moi vos réponses en mp et je publierai une première série que vous 'corrigerez' (en bleu d’abord pendant deux jours) puis en vert… et je publierai ensuite la deuxième série... (sans changements donc ! ) Vous gagnez de la liberté (celle de ne pas parler de plusieurs sujets, ceux qui ne vous " inspirent pas "... Vous écrivez la longueur que vous voulez, vous pouvez choisir d'inventer, de plaisanter, ou de répondre avec sérieux... Nous vous suivrons !
Cet exercice sera pour vous un
ou en fonction de la qualité de vos écrits et des difficultés (surmontées) dans la prestation...
Cet exercice sera corrigé (j'espère !) le samedi 26 octobre 2024 ! Go for it! with THE FORCE.
Message de here4u posté le 14-10-2024 à 13:31:02 (S | E | F)
Hello dears,
Here is (again!
) an easy exercise that everyone can do.Je sais que l'Expression libre est la compétence la plus difficile à bien acquérir dans l'apprentissage d'une langue, même si elle est notre langue maternelle, d'ailleurs...
Certains m’avaient dit être gênés d’exprimer des idées personnelles (surtout qu’ils avaient l’impression – souvent fausse – de les exprimer maladroitement.
) Cependant, je ne vous demande pas de " raconter votre vie " si vous ne le désirez pas... Je souhaite juste vous voir vous exprimer sur tout sujet aussi " librement " que possible. De plus, je pense que vous aurez maintenant compris que pour moi, toute expression, même maladroite, est intéressante et a de la valeur. Elle nous stimule tous à " trouver mieux " !
Voici les questions auxquelles vous pouvez répondre.
1. For a pet, would you prefer a dog , or a cat? Why?
2. Write a short protest about something that shocks you.
3. Is ‘writing’ a form of catharsis for you?
4. Is family a refuge or a trap?
Vous pouvez choisir 1 ou 2 questions au choix – en notant bien les références - et développer celle(s) que vous voulez, jusqu’à atteindre en tout un maximum d’environ 15 0 mots.
Envoyez-moi vos réponses en mp et je publierai une première série que vous 'corrigerez' (en bleu d’abord pendant deux jours) puis en vert… et je publierai ensuite la deuxième série... (sans changements donc ! ) Vous gagnez de la liberté (celle de ne pas parler de plusieurs sujets, ceux qui ne vous " inspirent pas "... Vous écrivez la longueur que vous voulez, vous pouvez choisir d'inventer, de plaisanter, ou de répondre avec sérieux... Nous vous suivrons ! Cet exercice sera pour vous un
ou en fonction de la qualité de vos écrits et des difficultés (surmontées) dans la prestation... Cet exercice sera corrigé (j'espère !) le samedi 26 octobre 2024 ! Go for it! with THE FORCE.
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 15-10-2024 à 10:04:50 (S | E)
Hello dears,
Here is our first ANSWER:
TOPIC4please, indicate possible mistakes and underline what looks clumsy to you...
Some families tear each other apart over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other. We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises.
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they never making differences between the children, never showing preference for one or the other. If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.
for your help! Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 15-10-2024 à 17:00:44 (S | E)
Hello friends!
TOPIC4please, indicate possible mistakes and underline what looks clumsy to you...
Some families tear each other apart (meaning) over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other. We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises.
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they never making differences between the children, never showing preference for one or the other. If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 18-10-2024 à 15:14:44 (S | E)
Hello dears,
Green required!
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 18-10-2024 à 16:46:32 (S | E)
Hello!
Hello friends!
TOPIC4:
Some families tear each other apart* (meaning) In some families, people tear each other apart over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family,
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way. They never made differences between their children (never differentiated between their children is perhaps better
), never showed preference for one or the other (or without "they" :... in this way, never making differences (differentiating) between their children, never showing preference...) . If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.* I think "Some families tear each other apart" has a different meaning ("The Joneses and the Smiths tear each other apart").
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 20-10-2024 à 18:30:36 (S | E)
Hello dears,
I'm sorry there has big a bug when sending-receiving ANSWER A. The writer has just pointed that out to me today.
Here, it's never too late to make up for the whims of the Internet...
Here is the end of our ANSWER A. You don't need to repeat your indications and suggestions concerning the first part.
When you have finished the two steps, I'll paste the two corrected parts together. Let's say we expect your indications from now till tomorrow night and your suggestions on Tuesday 22nd. There an ANSWER B waiting in line. It will be posted on Tuesday night.
ANSWER A (part 2): indications on Monday 21st and suggestions on Tuesday 22nd.
...It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they never making differences between the children, never showing preference for one or the other. If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault...
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right to explain ourselves and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour.
When our parents died, all the property was divided equally in will, and we arranged amongst ourselves for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions, we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.
Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.
for your help! 
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 22-10-2024 à 21:56:32 (S | E)
Hello dears,
Well well... No more help concerning ANSWER A?
Ok! Here is ANSWER B:
Topic 2: Write a short protest about something that shocks you:
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended to merely hurt the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director some talent'. What is obnoxious is the way the director is personally, wholly hold in contempt : not only is the film bad (who is totally safe from a failure?), but the director is also personally regarded, once and for all, as a complete zero. How recover from this ? What does enable the critic to be so radical in their judgement ? I cannot help but think this unkindness goes far beyond a simple review...
for your help! Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de happynutmeg13, postée le 23-10-2024 à 08:36:03 (S | E)
Hello!
My suggestions: (simply to add some clarity)
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right to explain ourselves and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour.
When our parents died, all the property was divided equally in xxx will, and we arranged xxx amongst ourselves for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions, we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.
Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 23-10-2024 à 10:42:35 (S | E)
Hello!
ANSWER B:
Topic 2: Write a short protest about something that shocks you:
Very few mistakes, I think
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended to merely hurt the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director some talent'. What is obnoxious is the way the director is personally, wholly hold in contempt : not only is the film bad (who is totally safe from a failure?), but the director is also personally regarded, once and for all, as a complete zero. How recover from this ? What does enable the critic to be so radical in their judgement ? I cannot help but think this unkindness goes far beyond a simple review...
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 24-10-2024 à 17:00:21 (S | E)
Hello dears,
Green allowed!
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 24-10-2024 à 19:11:12 (S | E)
Hello!
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right were given the right/were allowed to explain ourselves and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour.
When our parents died, all the property was equally divided
amongst ourselves (simply we arranged for ...) for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions have quarrels (too strong?) , we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.
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Modifié par gerold le 24-10-2024 19:11
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 25-10-2024 à 11:49:24 (S | E)
Hello!
ANSWER B:
Topic 2: Write a short protest about something that shocks you:
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended to merely hurt the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director some talent'. What
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de happynutmeg13, postée le 26-10-2024 à 16:17:18 (S | E)
Hello!
Answer B
Ok with Gerold's corrections!
Cependant :
-'What was obnoxious, was...' je maintiendrais l'ordre,même s'il ne s'agit pas d'une question
- Pour marquer de l'insistance, est-ce qu'on ne pourrait pas garder "does" dans la phrase "What
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Modifié par happynutmeg13 le 26-10-2024 16:48
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de gerold, postée le 26-10-2024 à 18:32:33 (S | E)
Hello!
The question is : may we use the "Emphatic Do" in a question? I don't think so, but ...?
We can find on Internet sentences like this:
Who did that?
(no answer)
I want an answer! Who did do that?
Is it correct?
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Modifié par gerold le 26-10-2024 18:37
Réponse : Let's Suggest 72/ let's take a break 18 de here4u, postée le 26-10-2024 à 21:56:12 (S | E)
Hello dears!
TOPIC 4: my preliminary indications:
Some families tear each other apart over the (smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other. We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises. B
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they (never making differences between the children, never showing preference for one or the other. (If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.
TOPIC 4: gerold’s indications
Some families tear each other apart (meaning) over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other. We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises.
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they never making differences between (the children, never showing preference for one or the other. If we fought (amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.
Some families tear each other apart over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other. We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises.
Gerold’s suggestions :
Some families tear each other apart* (meaning) In some families, people tear each other apart over the smallest of things, it can be a misunderstanding, an unfortunate word or a piece of land...In my family, everyone loves each other everyone loves the others, or we all love each other (when we use "each other", the verb should be in the plural). We stick together through thick and thin, and help each other out when the need arises.
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way. They never made differences between their children (never differentiated between their children
is perhaps better (Sorry, I don't think 'differentiate' is OK...)), never showed preference for one or the other (or without "they" :... in this way, never making differences (differentiating) between their children, never showing preference...) . If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.De très bonnes suggestions.
* I think "Some families tear each other apart" has a different meaning ("The Joneses and the Smiths tear each other apart")
.ANSWER A: Part 2:
It has to be said that our parents brought us up in this way; they never( making (construction ?)differences between (the children, never showing preference for one or the other. If we fought amongst ourselves, we were all punished. As far as our parents were concerned, from the moment we started arguing, we were all at fault.
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right to explain ourselves and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour. B
When our parents died, (all the property was divided equally in will, and we arranged amongst ourselves for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions, we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.
Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.TTB
Happynutmeg's suggestions: (simply to add some clarity)
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right to explain ourselves and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour.
When our parents died, all the property was divided equally in xxx will, and we arranged xxx amongst ourselves for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions, we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.
Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.
Gerold's suggestions:
As soon as we were calm again, we had the right were given the right/were allowed to explain ourselves
and everyone received a lesson in morality and good behaviour.When our parents died, all the property was equally divided equally in the/a will (or by will), and we arranged xxx it amongst ourselves (simply we arranged for ...) for the majority of the property to remain in the family. Of course, we often have discussions have quarrels (too strong?) , we don't always agree on how to manage things, however we always work together to find a win-win solution.
Because we love and respect each other, our family is a very comfortable refuge.
- 'quarrels' me semble un peu fort. 'Discuss' reste plus ouvert et s'il s'agit de discussions au sujet d'argent, penser à 'haggle/ quibble/ picked at each other'
- Je suis toujours un peu gênée par l'usage 'indifférent' de 'each other/ one another' ou pour la généralisation de 'each other'. Je préfère vous redonner les règles... Vous en ferez ce que vous voudrez !
C'était une bonne EXPRESSION qui a été très bien corrigée ensuite !
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Topic 2: Write a short protest about something that shocks you: my preliminary indications:
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of (cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended (to merely hurt (I hate split infinitives!) the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director XXX some talent'. What is obnoxious is the way the director is personally, wholly (hold
in contempt : not only is the film bad (who is totally safe from a failure?), but the director is also personally regarded, once and for all, as a complete zero/ failure. (How recover from this ? (What does enable the critic to be so radical in their judgement ? I cannot help but think this unkindness goes far beyond a simple review...Serait bien sans ces formes interrogatives très mal construites :
ces points sont à revoir !Gerold's indications: Very few mistakes, I think
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended to merely hurt the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director XXX some talent'. What is obnoxious (???) is the way the director is personally, wholly hold in contempt : not only is the film bad (who is totally safe from a failure?), but the director is also personally regarded, once and for all, as a complete zero. How recover from this ? What does enable the critic to be so radical in their judgement ? I cannot help but think this unkindness goes far beyond a simple review...
Topic 2: Write a short protest about something that shocks you: Gerold's suggestions:
Among many things, what really shocks me is the meanness critics sometimes show towards artists, especially in the field of cinema. Let this protest be more than just a matter of 'Criticism is easy, art is difficult'. It sometimes looks as though the author of the review intended to merely hurt the director. I remember this sentence, which was about a big budget film : 'With so much money involved, the film could have been good, had the director some talent'. What is obnoxious is, (this is not a question) is
the way the director is personally and wholly held in contempt : not only is the film bad (who is totally safe from a failure?), but the director is also personally regarded, once and for all, as a complete zero. How to recover from this ? What L'ordre du verbe initial était le bon ! - How to recover from this? / How can anyone recover from this?
Happynutmeg's indications: Ok with Gerold's corrections!
Cependant : -'What was obnoxious, was...' je maintiendrais l'ordre, même s'il ne s'agit pas d'une question
[Si, c'est une interrogative, mais elle est indirecte !]- Pour marquer de l'insistance, est-ce qu'on ne pourrait pas garder "does" dans la phrase NON!* "What
* Gerold a donné la bonne justification: 'what' est en position de sujet et se construit donc sans auxiliaire.
Lien internet
(surtout paragraphe 4)
- Do emphatique: L'emphase, comme son nom l'indique, permet d'insister sur une idée ou une action ; en anglais, il suffit d'ajouter l'auxiliaire ( DO/DOES au Present simple, DID au Preterit) dans l'affirmation, entre le sujet et le verbe non conjugué. En français, on ajoute en général les adverbes “vraiment” et “bien”. L'emphase existe à l'impératif, mais n'existe pas aux forme interrogatives et négatives. A la forme négative, on insiste sur la négation elle-même.
- Une critique : a criticism
- Un critique (personne) a critic
- Une revue critique : a critique/ a review
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