I or me/ discussion
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Message from mohammad51 posted on 12-11-2017 at 12:21:38 (D | E | F)
Hello,
Could you help me please?
Thanks for any reply.
Here are examples needing discussion
1- Please allow Jenna or me to assist you. why me and not I? Jenna and I will assist you = subject that offers the assistance.
I know that (you) who allow them is the real subject.
Please examine this or compare ( sentence 1 with 2)
2- That was Yusuf and I whom you saw. whom you saw refers to the object = ( Yusuf and I), so why not me? and why not that were?
I read to some grammarians consider ( that at the beginning) = subject and as they illustrated the pronoun( I) acts instead of That.
3- It was I who called. here no doubt I = the subject ( who called) but why not that was or that is?
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Edited by lucile83 on 12-11-2017 14:26
Message from mohammad51 posted on 12-11-2017 at 12:21:38 (D | E | F)
Hello,
Could you help me please?
Thanks for any reply.
Here are examples needing discussion
1- Please allow Jenna or me to assist you. why me and not I? Jenna and I will assist you = subject that offers the assistance.
I know that (you) who allow them is the real subject.
Please examine this or compare ( sentence 1 with 2)
2- That was Yusuf and I whom you saw. whom you saw refers to the object = ( Yusuf and I), so why not me? and why not that were?
I read to some grammarians consider ( that at the beginning) = subject and as they illustrated the pronoun( I) acts instead of That.
3- It was I who called. here no doubt I = the subject ( who called) but why not that was or that is?
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Edited by lucile83 on 12-11-2017 14:26
Re: I or me/ discussion from mah, posted on 12-11-2017 at 13:09:54 (D | E)
Hello everybody!
Do we say: let us or let we!? Surely let us is correct, so allow me here is correct.
Regards
Re: I or me/ discussion from mohammad51, posted on 12-11-2017 at 14:35:40 (D | E)
Thank you mah to be friendly and shared on my question, but please read on all content. My aim is not beyond a transient discussion or mere funny thing. I tried to analyze all words, all ideas, all what is related to grammar and linguistics as well. please be kind and don't hurry .....I know. indeed I know but I want to compare why this is acceptable and why that is not.... best regards to all members here.
I know let's and not let we. I just bring this to compare with the sentence also I mentioned:
That was Yusuf and I whom you saw. Why I here is preferable than me since ( Yusuf and I ) are considered object by whom you saw
Re: I or me/ discussion from zilazila, posted on 12-11-2017 at 15:14:29 (D | E)
Hello
"I" is the subject pronoun, used for the one "doing" the verb.
Ex: I saw you yeasterday.
" Me" is the object pronoun, used as the object of the action of the verb.
Ex: She asked me to answer her question.
Re: I or me/ discussion from gerondif, posted on 12-11-2017 at 15:15:57 (D | E)
Hello
1- Please allow Jenna or me to assist you. why me and not I? Jenna and I will assist you = subject that offers the assistance.
I know that (you) who allow them is the real subject.
Well, allow is followed by an object case: He will allow me/you/him/her/us/you/them to come.
Can you allow Jenna or me to assist you ?
Let me help you!
I would be impossible, it is a subject case.
When you say: Jenny and I will assist you, we will assist you, I and we are subject cases.
2- That was Yusuf and I whom you saw. whom you saw refers to the object = ( Yusuf and I), so why not me? and why not that were?
It is a rather old-fashioned way of speaking, I think today's English would be: It was Yusuf and I that you saw.
If we respect grammar and a high level of English, you don't put an object case after to be.
I saw him first = "It was I who saw him first" but we often hear : "It was me who saw him first", a very common mistake which now goes unnoticed. (In Manchester in the 1970's I used to hear "It was me did it" instead of "I did it", stressing the I.)
whom is in the object case because saw is a normal verb folllowed by an object case: You really saw Yusuf and me.
3- It was I who called. here no doubt I = the subject ( who called) but why not that was or that is?
It is I who works the most. Present tense
It was I who saw the accident first; Preterite
It will be I who will be driving you to the hospital tomorrow ! Future tense.
You use the same tense in both sentences.
Today's children would probably say it is me, it was me, it will be me....
Re: I or me/ discussion from mohammad51, posted on 12-11-2017 at 20:32:17 (D | E)
Hi
gerondif,
you answer is correct and good
thank you much
I know the sentence ( that was Yusuf and I whom you saw yesterday) as the most of grammarian told ( I) acts instead of that which they consider the real subject is that .....Anyway I find the blue book of grammar is good but still there is confusion.
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